zowie a écrit :
Oui la plus part du temps ce que l'on reproche à la France, et ca revient toujours sur le tapis, ce sont les soucis politiques et les électeurs dangereux qui votent aujourdhui extreme droite. Bref, n'épilogons pas sur le sujet car celui ci sors un peu du contexte.
Merci Zowie,
Je suis d'accord avec toi, j'ai ne pense pas a propos de politique lorsque j'ai commence ce forum, car j'ai voulu seulement a propos de la vie 'ordinaire'. To many people I know, politics is conflicting and best avoided, to the point whee when I was growing up, I was taught that it is one of the 3 'taboo' topics you shouldn't discuss with others.
I don't know how much of the Oz population grew up with this same rule but it might explain why some of us don't discuss certain things or want to get into heated discussions..
Now I just avoid politics from the boredom level (even if I know about it from a regional/social level) and the fact that in a discussion, il y a peut etre millards d'opinions, mais personne va gagne et il y a si tant que est impossible de changer. Aussi, je eviter le sujet de politique car je jamais regarde un pays etranger et juge les inhabitants par le gouvernement ou le premier ministre, just as I'd hope that people wouldn't look at Australia as being very racist because Pauline Hanson once had a strong following (she also did have some very good policies that reminded people especially in the 50 ans + generation of the 'good old days' in Oz, and that's why some people I know voted for her).
And I'd hope (though there is always the risk, malheureusement) que les gens ne regardent pas Australie et croire que nous sommes toutes 'Pro Americain' and Pro Guerre because of the US alliance, or anti-humanitarian for the immigration policies and the detention centres, when so many communities all around Australia (even ones thousands of kms from these centres) work very hard with petitions and practical assistance to try and get the people out of there.
But, I lose the topic, from where I really want to go:
the History angle:
zowie a écrit :
effisk fait reference au français qui reste banal devant un tel passé histoiruque de la France, son histoire, sa richesse et ses vieilles pierres. Chaque jour, je dis à mes amis, "mais regardez moi ça un peu, regardez ces belles pierres et ces poutres à la française... hmmmm que ce fromage est bon, ce vin se marie tres bien avec, quel excellent Hospice de Beaune ...", et je suis d'accord avec toi effisk...
C'est un peu triste... je crois que je suis plus triste pour ca que pour mes compatriotes en Oz qui n'aiment pas l'histoire, car dans le passe, I've always in the past been fairly easy on Aussies for this, as I once believed myself it was ok not to be interested in Oz history (ie people could be forgiven easily as it was boring and what can happen in 200 years anyway, compared to ancient cultures) as long as you were interested in some other kind of older, more serious history.
Quelquefois j'ai cru que c'etait la faute des ecoles en Australie que les etudiants n'aiment pas leur histoire - any historical trip we made was to things less than 100 years old, and there was never any time to admire, only to frantically complete history assignments/questionnaires in time to jump back on the bus and go back to school. One particular historical place, we went to every year for at least 7 years, always with assignments, and soon I hated this place (meme si c'est tres celebre et formidable) and couldn't enjoy it after that until I had avoided it for several years.
Car en Oz l'histoire est si bref, on peut imagine que faire les etudes, we'd have it easy - pas si beaucoup pour apprendre, mais c'etait presque l'inverse. Apres avoir fini l'histoire du pays d'Oz, on commence beaucoup l'histoire ancien (in over-compensation peut etre): inclus Ancient Rome et Ancient Sumeria, which meant absolutely nothing to us (and you can't go there on a field trip!) and we grew up with no idea of what something really old really looked like...until we were old enough to travel outside our own country. And then you can just be so awed it takes a long time to believe history.
But if you grow up in a country where you can actually touch history around you, while you are learning, I think it would be nice if it meant something, and I wish I'd had that opportunity to try and understand at a younger age than 20.
zowie a écrit :
C'est en voyageant aussi que l'on se rends compte à quel point nous vivons dans un pays plein de richesse.
Oui, je suis d'accord avec toi pour ca.
Lorsque j'etais finalement 'assez vieux' pour visiter L'Europe pour la premier fois, j'ai crue que L'australie etait rien/nul -pas de culture, no other official languages, pas des accents qui changent avec les pays ou regions, pas de l'histoire interessant, et j'ai cru ca pendant ma visite en Europe aussi, mais apres mon retour, soudainement le situation a change, L'australie semble 'd'ameliorer' and look much more pleasing for many things!
Kate