Amazing, now we're even getting brochures in the letter box from the Government, telling us about the Regional Migration Scheme
Too bad it's only brief and doesn't give away the fact of how tricky the system really is....

The way the scheme is presented to us Aussies there and in newspapers is quite misleading really, because it makes the scheme out to be user-friendly, and welcoming, as long as you have the skill and 3 years experience, but now what it appears most to me is that this could be more a scheme for the best of the best...

For interest’s sake I’ve looked at all their rules and regulations carefully, and tried to come up with some possible scenarios for the ‘perfect applicant’, to see just how possible it is to enter Australia this way.

Can apply with 110 points, but the requirement says 120, so the higher the better, to improve your chances. It also says that ‘meeting the pass mark does not mean you meet all the criteria for the visa’ which is also a bit tricky, but if you make the score, and don’t technically fail on other important criteria, your chances should still be good.
You also need to make enquiries to be sure that the job you nominate hasn’t been left off the list of the state you’re interested in.

So, after that here are the most important criteria, after the basis of having to
live in a regional area.

Part 1. Skill qualifications.
Best to be in a ‘top scoring job’ category with a job on the list and score 60 points, or 2nd level ‘top job’ category, score 50.
To nominate a 60 point job from the list, you need to have a degree & experience to Australian standards and specific to your job.
For a 50 point, more general professional job, need equivalent to Australian degree again, BUT, loophole, it doesn’t have to be specifically related to the job you’ve nominated.
40 point job: have an equivalent of Australian Diploma or advanced diploma, BUT in a loophole advantage again, it also doesn’t have to be specifically concerned with the job you’ve nominated, according to the instructions on the site.

Part 2. Be in the ideal age group for max. points 18-29, score 30 points. (Being age 30-34 isn’t too bad either, score 25 points).

Part 3. English skills: Competency, score 20 points (vocational score 15 points). (Just how hard is it to score this high with IELTS, I wonder???)

Part 4. current work experience - very important (without this one, looks like you fail) at least 36 months out of the past 48 up until time of application in a 60 point job on list = score 10 points. 3 yrs current exp in a 50 point job, score 5 points.

If at each item between No’s 1 - 4 you’ve lost points along the way, it looks difficult from this point onwards to make them up, unless you’ve got a spouse you can get 5 points from (I’m assuming here that most can’t make up the points again by having relatives in Australia, or having studied a degree here, or having $100,000 to invest.
If you’re not doing well after point 5, I think the chances are diminishing.
On the other hand, if you score top on most of 1 - 4 and don’t fail any later crucial question, then it seems good, using the model given on the site.

Part 5. Spouse with vocational English and whose occupation is on the list, and who is aged under 45 = score 5 points.
(spouse needs to have completed at least 2 recent years of study/diploma or been employed 12 mths in the past 18 ) or 24 months in the past 36 for a 40 or 50 point occupation.)

Part 6. Australian Uni degree- assume most don’t have it, so no points here.

Part 7. Skills targeting: if you have an occupation that is in special demand & have no job offer yet, score 10 bonus points. If the position is in demand and there is an offer, get 15 bonus points (but isn’t this more like sponsoring?)

Part 8. Bonus points.
Assuming you haven’t been employed for 6 mths recently in Australia, and that you don’t have $100,000 to invest, the most possible way to pick up 5 points here, is if you have a uni. qualification in a designated language (incl French ) on the list.

Part 9: family in Australia:
Assume nobody, so no points. Same with Part 10, as few would already have done study in a regional or low population area of Australia.

My idea would be to go for the top 120 points outright instead of 110 and being in any kind of ‘grey area’ with DIMIA, as just because somebody gets accepted for sponsorship by the state, doesn’t mean they automatically get accepted with DIMIA too.

To see how it could be possible to get to 120, here's an example.

Engineer, (60 pts)
under 29 years old................. (+30 pts), or up to age 39 (+20 pts)
has the 3 yrs current experience (+10 pts)
with Competent English .......... (+20 pts)
job is in special demand (+10 pts).

Score is already potentially 130 if the model is an accurate test.
This person could also have a spouse who fits the critera in Part 5, but doesn’t need to use those points. So, spouse could work as well, at any occupation - could be very useful for couples. Even better IF the spouse is allowed to get any kind of work they want first while the applicant looks for the full time job.

Kate

And another scenario:

Geologist. .....................(50 pts)
Age: slightly older, 30-34 (+25)
English: Competent...... (+20)
Experience & degree: 3 yrs (+10)
Skilled spouse................... (+5)
Diploma in language on list: (+5 pts)
Job in demand ...................(+10)

And this one just makes it to 120, but was more difficult due to losing points for older age category and starting with the 10 point less job). I think the spouse saved the day in this one
Trouble is, spouse in this example would only be able to work at her nominated position because her points were needed as part of the equation. It could take longer for both to find work.

Ok, there are several (probably many) difficulties with 'making it work' to get this visa which weren’t apparent at first, second, or even 3rd read, but which appear later. (And then once you've got it, you still have to move and find work.
On one hand, it seems you have more flexibility as you're not sponsored by one employer but a state in general, but also could be more uncertainty, which could be helped though if you have the luxury of being able to take more time when searching for a job on arrival.

The fact that to move on from the 'regional migration' visa to Permanent residency, you still need a A: sponsor at the end, or B: to own a business outright and have $300,000 to invest....could also be tricky.
One would hope with A: that in the 2-3 years the applicant had been in Australia, he/she would have managed to find the 12 months worth of work required to meet the agreement, and that the employer they're with at the end of that time will give them a 2 yr contract.

I guess one of the first problems to get over is that you have to live and work in a designated regional area....but really, the idea of regional is very broad here and though you can’t live in Sydney, Melbourne or Brisbane, there are a lot of great places with this scheme where you CAN, and which are quite populated, or more densely populated than average(like Central and southern & south western Victoria).
One way to get around the 'small town population = less opportunities for work' problem would be to strategically move into a point between 2 large regional cities: for example in Victoria that could be between Ballarat and Geelong, or Ballarat and Bendigo, where the population combined would be 200,000 - 300,000 and you could travel to work in either direction, with a chance of more opportunity that way.

You could study a region that interests you via internet, real estate guides, community & government websites, and get an idea of the industries in that area, and what new or expanding areas they could be moving into. For example, in my region, there are still 2 large goldfields, Bendigo and Ballarat, where the companies believe they're on the edge of 'striking it really big' and will soon be expanding even further, running more drills 24 hours a day and employing more geologists and specialists and all the extra personnel needed. They believe it's going to happen, from the data they've been collecting since 1985, but it still remains to be seen....
And then there's wind energy, which is really starting to take off in Victoria, with more huge wind farms planned in the near future.

And there's a lot of NSW that isn't on the 'not allowed' list for moving to.

Or there’s the entire Northern Territory, including tropical Darwin (which, though I haven’t been there for years, I imagine these days must be quite like living on the edge of Asia, but with the Australian quality of life)...and you'd never have to see Winter again. ...

There's all of pretty Tasmania, with the cold weather and short summers.

And there’s all of South Australia - sure, a lot of it isn’t even usable land, but Adelaide is a great city with nicer climate than Melbourne at some times of the year, and with the population it has, there’d be sure to be quite a lot of opportunties.

Possible advantages of the Regional Migration visa?

I think workers could be seen as being more employable, because at least this visa gives the right to work for 2-3 years, and could show you want to stay permanently, rather than the 1 year working holiday, where you could be seen as more like a ‘holiday maker’ than a serious job hunter.

* Employer can test out workers for longer than 3 months - have a better idea of their skill & value and hopefully decide to keep them.
* Employee could maybe try and ‘test out’ several employers, as long as they stayed in the regional area zone (or maybe another regional area zone as well) and did 12 mths of full time work in that kind of job within the 2 - 3 yrs.

Just some ideas for you, maybe to get some people thinking.

Kate

If I were in any of these situations, I'd apply for a PR.
L'immi n'a pas fait de cadeau avec ce visa, ils ne rendent pas vraiment l'immigration vers l'Australie plus facile. Ceux qui peuvent postuler pour ce genre de visa pourraient aussi bien postuler pour un PR

What about WA? Ce visa va-t-il être un jour étendu au WA ? C'est envisagé ou on n'en parle pas ?

[edit]petite correction d'orthographe, honte sur moi !

You're right, funny, after a while, this visa looks suspiciously very like the one before...
And to think I thought it was exciting when the first publicity came out. Now it's just annoying, all the information they keep throwing at us Aussies, like it's something new and something great. And the hints that communities can be involved too...now I'm quite sceptical.
I guess the having to have 3 years current experience cuts a lot of people out (like all graduates!) but that must still leave a lot of people with the skills to go for the PR visa, as you say...and not everybody could get it, even if they had the score etc or there would be too many.....I begin to see why it's called a pool....all of them floating in there, waiting....maybe some of the ones who will get 'fished out' first will be among those who agree to live in regional areas??

And if one's English has to be so good to get into Australia, and the score so high, how is it I wonder that you encounter people on the phone from call centres who you can hardly understand at all?? At least if they were French, there would be a nice accent to listen to

And about W.A....that's really weird, because there must be opportunities there. And W.A. mining companies wouldn't be advertising in Victoria the way they are if skilled employees were easy to find.
Maybe the scheme is so tricky even for them to understand, the W.A. government just didn't want to bother to be in it.

Kate

héhéhé
Probablement des étudiants étrangers. J'ai fait ça (ça n'a pas duré plus de 4 heures ), la boîte était tenue par des indiens qui n'embauchaient que des étudiants, la plupart indiens.

On avance, on avance...

Merci Kate pour ton analyse de modèle positif. Vous avez raison tous les deux FX : le SIR ressemble à la PR, le SIR a le goût de la PR mais ça ne s'appelle pas la PR...

Toutes les villes de l'Australie-Occidentale sont désormais exclues du nouveau SIR. Ce qui fait quand même la moitié du continent Aus... (décidément, ça ne s'arrange pas entre l'Est et l'Ouest...)

Le point positif est vraiment offert aux petites villes touristiques de moyenne importance (Kate a encore raison...) : donc, ce qui va se passer, c'est que beaucoup de nouveaux immigrants ou pré-qualifiables vont déménager vers Ballarat ou Omeo en Victoria (par exemple) en espérant y trouver une promesse écrite de travail. Le modèle le plus efficace semble être le couple, ou plus exactement le couple avec un enfant car les institutions sociales de cette région du Victoria semblent beaucoup plus ouvertes à une aide réelle à l'insertion.

Par contre, encore une fois, ce qui est moins compréhensible, c'est que la DIMIA se réserve le droit de ne pas accorder le visa dans les conditions de sa "discrétion" (j'imagine qu'ils parlent de ceux qui ont eu l'impudence de postuler depuis des années à d'autres visas Business auparavant un peu trop bruyamment : ceci dit, en faisant preuve de bonne volonté de part et d'autre, cela pourrait s'arranger facilement...). Or, les sommes engagées par les familles candidates vont être énormes. On peut en conclure, pour l'instant, que la DIMIA risque de demander à certaines entreprises de la campagne victorienne de prouver quand même qu'un Australien ne peut pas faire ce travail "local", surtout à si peu d'heures de route de Melbourne par exemple : et on voit mal les entreprises de la campagne victorienne, déjà perdues dans les démarches administratives, perdent leur temps à donner de telles explications.

La clé du succès réside donc dans le fait que les mairies participantes (ou conseils locaux) disent clairement COMMENT elles veulent ADAPTER ce SIR sur leur circonscription. A titre d'exemple, sur Ballarat elle-même, ou sur Benalla, Shepparton, Wangaratta, Quirindi, Yarra Valley... plus de 130 nouvelles annonces d'emploi dites "skilled" en part-time (même si la plupart ne sont pas sur la liste du SOL pour cet Etat) viennent d'être publiées depuis que le SIR est apparu sur Internet dans sa première intégralité il y a trois jours. Jugez-en vous-même sur les sites d'emploi, journaux régionaux, journaux locaux, petites annonces, tableaux d'associations, sites de carrières, sites de cadres, cabinets de recrutement..., c'est vraiment impressionnant.

Cela prouve que toutes ces municipalités de ces "towns" du Victoria ont les chaussures qui fument dans les "starting-block" et veulent absolument trouver un moyen de faire enfin venir TOUS les personnels dont elles ont besoin, même s'il est vrai que peu de gens (ou familles plus souvent) ne pourront Réellement arriver jusqu'au bout du processus imposé.

Moralité : il faudrait trouver le dossier INTERFACE public dans le service agréé d'une de ces municipalités sur place pour savoir (en anglais et/ou en français compréhensible) quelles sont les gens ou familles (peut-être même déjà en PR ou déjà sponsorisés...) qu'ils veulent "FAIRE" embaucher dans les plus brefs délais en fonction des négociations locales avec les entreprises visées qui sont à 90% des PME-PMI ou petits commerces.

PS : j'ai centré ici une idée très "victorienne" du processus réel car je connais mal le Queensland ou l'Australie-Méridionale. Mais si quelqu'un en Queensland ou près d'Adelaide (la Barossa Valley surtout) peut faire le même type de contraposée, ce serait super positif !!! (ou alors, il va falloir acheter un PASS Flyer à Kate et lui demander de devenir l'Ambassadeur de FDU en Australie...)

Merci beaucoup Kate pour les infos, findings et les idées.

Bien à vous

A suivre....

Marc

Ce visa pourrait aller pour une femme née en 1955 , bibliothécaire-documentaliste- archiviste, à l'occasion enseignante en langues, parlant français, espagnol, allemand et anglais et ayant deux adorable enfants de 15 et 13 ans???
Chantal

j'ai un peu du mal à comprendre aidez moi svp.

Mon mari a 40 ans pas de diplome mais 23 ans d'experience.
Moi j'ai 37 ans et je m'occupe des enfants qui ont 15, 14,11,6 et 2 ans et demi.

Au niveau des point pour le visa comment cela ce passe t'il?

Avons nous des chance de l'obtenir?

Merci d'avance.

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j'ai un peu du mal à comprendre aidez moi svp.

Mon mari a 40 ans pas de diplome mais 23 ans d'experience.
Moi j'ai 37 ans et je m'occupe des enfants qui ont 15, 14,11,6 et 2 ans et demi.

Au niveau des point pour le visa comment cela ce passe t'il?

Avons nous des chance de l'obtenir?

Merci d'avance.

passez ce test et voyez ce que ça donne :

http://www.how2immigrate.net/australia/ ... -form.html

Je te remercie pour l info sur le site pour le test - mais je n'ai pas reussi a avoir le total de mes points - bizarre ou j'ai du loupé une marche.

@+ fred

Pas réussi non plus à obtenir le total des points... et tant mieux... vais aller élever des cigales au Pôle Nord... ce sera plus simple

bon j'ai mis ce lien au hasard sans tester, il y a un tas de sites qui proposent ce genre de test, il suffit de chercher sur google.

je tiens a te remercier carine pour toutes ces infos qui en fait ne sont pas uniquement utiles a des personnes plus agees, car meme parmis les personnes de notre generation (des 20/30ans), ils y en a comme moi qui souhaitent soit s'installer soit, se mettre a leur compte.
donc si cela n'apporte pas grand chose a certain, ca m'a beaucoup apporte a moi, car cela me donne un autre apercu qu'un an en australie....
en ce qui concerne les zones rurales, j'ai vecu 2 1/2 en irlande, dans un petit village a 83km de la ville la plus prche, et c'est vraiment la que j'ai pu m'impregner de la culture et des habitudes des gens. donc a chacun de savoir ce qu'il recherche dans son voyage.

si tu as d'autres infos sur le sujet, n'hesite pas.
a bientot

Et oui , pendant un bon petit temps je me suis démenée pour échanger mes infos avec celle des autres, et j'avoue que je me suis essouflée de ne pas avoir senti une motivation évidente.

Mais je peux vous dire qu'aujourd'hui j'ai enrichi un peu plus mon expérience personnelle grâce en partie au site, donc merci à vous aussi.

Carine.